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Somebody please help me with this. Revolución 02:00, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Any help with the "Did you know" section would be greatly appreciated. Revolución 06:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Crawling with leftist propaganda and wikipedia code violations[edit]

"that the Palestinians can't pronounce the name 'Palestine' because Arabic has no syllable for 'P' ? (I am a Palestinian, it is true we dont have the letter 'P', but most people still can pronounce it)" Personal referrences and pronouns on an encyclopedia, I think not. Also, the leftist confidence in the future statehood of the illegal Israeli occupants is overwhelming. Simply reffer to the top of the page in the "Rename" request. "... the people, the culture, the nation (although not YET independent). How such utter bullshit could make its way into an increasingly reputable and respected site. This is the kind of shit that gives wikipedia a bad name.


Palestine page is a disambig that - correctly - mentions Eretz Israel in the very 1st line. This portal needs to be renamed into State of Palestine or Jamahiriyya Filastin of some such. Humus sapiensTalk 02:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

    • I don't think that is necessary. It mentions the region of Palestine, but this isn't about the historical region of Palestine. This is about Palestine, the people, the culture, the nation (although not independent), and all other Palestinian-related issues (such as Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and all that. Of course this is closely related to Israel, and I will welcome cooperation between our two portals. ;-) Revolución 23:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Renaming it would be absolutely inappropriate, and highly offensive. This is about modern-day Palestine - the land of the Palestinians - not about the various historical usages which have motivated the disambig, and there is no ambiguity in its present-day use. - Mustafaa 00:24, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Israeli's have "Israel" as a portal, so it's absolutely innapropriate to tell the Palestinians that they can't have "Palestine" as their portal. Blackcats 08:44, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Portals aren't "owned" by any one group; like all Wikipedia content, they are a colloborative effort of Wikipedia editors. As well, portals aren't created for the purpose of advancing causes, but for the purpose of providing related and useful information to Wikipedia readers in one logical location. If a portal does not do that, then it has no reason to exist. Jayjg (talk) 17:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The only person to have mentioned "advancing causes" here is Jayjg. Actually, if there's one thing this can really help with, it's fixing the ridiculously numerous gaps in Palestine coverage resulting precisely from the fixation on conflict-related items (though if it helps in NPOVing the more blatantly biased articles on conflict-related stuff, that would also be good.) - Mustafaa 21:49, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
How else would one interpret the argument that Palestinians need to have a portal because Israelis have a portal? Jayjg (talk) 21:52, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In the context of WP:CSB, for a start. - Mustafaa 20:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hmm. It didn't sound like that to me. If you wanted to counter systemic bias, you wouldn't have a portal on either one before you had one on Brazil and Russia and Nigeria and Sudan etc. There's already far too much information about Israel, Palestine, and the whole conflict on Wikipedia, compared to more important topics; adding even more only worsens systemic bias. Jayjg (talk) 20:45, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Partly true - in the spirit of which I just wrote Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Algeria. However, all this information (I think of some of it, like knowledge wars, as "Mideast-cruft") focuses exclusively on one aspect of Palestine, leaving many important topics empty for lack of a direct relation to the conflict; furthermore, the paucity of Palestinians editing here means that even conflict-related articles tend to lack a Palestinian perspective (tend to be openly anti-Palestinian, frankly.) - Mustafaa 20:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The systemic bias is more likely the result of what wikipedians know about rather than some mysterious jew cabal. I think it would be innappropriate to rename to Portal: State of Palestine. There's no Portal: State of Brazil, just Portal: Brazil, which includes the nation, geography, culture, etc. If you want to counter systemic bias a better way would be to try to write NPOV articles than to rename a portal which would be out of sync with all the other portals just to demonstrate a point. savidan(talk) (e@) 14:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Retarded —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not a state and never will be. Naming it "State of Palestine" would be an action purely to piss-off people who accept the truth. If you make an article "State of Atlantis," you'd only be slightly less errored, but there's a chance that atlantis exists. For god's sake can people accept the damn truth. There are 55 established arab states and only one Jewish. Will they let us have at least a one-hundredth of what we're entitled to. (talk) 07:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notice Board[edit]

I just recently noticed the Wikipedia:Notice board for Israel-related topics. I think it would be a good idea if someone made a Wikipedia:Notice board for Palestine-related topics. Blackcats 08:50, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree, so I just made one. - Mustafaa 20:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Palestine" vs "State of Palestine"[edit]

I do not have enough knowledge yet of what the purpose of a "wikiportal" is, but there needs to be a clear distinction between "Palestine" and "State of Palestine". A "Palestine" wikiportal needs to be just about that: Palestine, meaning the Palestinian nationality, history, struggle for independence, customs, politics, current issues, folklore, etc. The "State of Palestine" declared in 1988 is a very narrow (and currently low in relevance) aspect of "Palestine". I will try to adjust that in the coming days, unless anybody else has time to go at it sooner. The intro paragraph of a Palestine wikiportal should not at all mention the "State of Palestine" of 1988 in the first sentence no more than the first page of an India wikiportal should mention the Sepoy Rebellion in its intro sentence. Ramallite (talk) 17:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That makes sense, but kind of begs the question as to the exact scope of this portal; would news, for example, of some incident in Jaffa be included? Jayjg (talk) 17:53, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't worry about that. If you're talking about daily news, almost all internationally noteworthy news coming out of Palestine unfortunately has something to do with Israel anyway, and usually vice versa. It's kind of what happens when two nations share the same piece of land I guess. Are news items updated manually each day, or is that section linked to some sort of automatic subscription service? If the news item happens to involve anything to do with Palestinians, from violence to curfews to food festivals to sports, then I expect it would be on this site, but if it's something exclusively Israeli, like for example Yardena Arazi giving a concert at the Society for the Preservation of Walnet-flavored Hummus headquarters in Tel Hashomer, it probably wouldn't be too relevant in a Palestine wikiportal. Ramallite (talk) 18:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You see, this is where I get confused. Should the intro be rewritten? I was under the impression that you had to include the intro to the article corresponding to that wikiportal e.g. the Canada wikiportal's intro is the same as the intro in the Canada article. But, there is no article that combines everything into a general article about what we refer to as Palestine. when one types in Palestine, it goes to a disambiguation page. And from that page, there is Palestine (region), Palestinian territories, State of Palestine, and Palestinian National Authority. But no article that talks about everything in Palestine, the culture, the history, and so on. So there are two options : we can write the intro ourselves, and link to the disambiguation page in the "read more". Or move the disambig page to Palestine (disambiguation) then use Palestine to write about Palestine. Since "State of Palestine" is only about the proposed state, and "Palestinian territories" only is only about the region. Revolución 04:50, 12 July 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree. Essentially, I'd say this is about Palestinian-related issues, anywhere in the region. - Mustafaa 21:46, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This sentence[edit]

Currently, the Palestinian National Authority, along with the European Union and the Arab League, envision the establishment of a State of Palestine to include all or part of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem, living in peace with Israel under a democratically elected and transparent government.

Is that really the stance of Hamas? savidan(talk) (e@) 14:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Probably not, but, at the same time, I've read nothing to suggest that Hamas has attempted to pass legislation which would change the Palestinian Authority's official stance. Until they do so, the above assertion stands. -- (Mingus ah um 01:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Cleaning up/Merging/Splitting Palestine related articles[edit]

Seeing as this is the Portal for Palestine I thought it would be the best place to suggest and get feedback on setting out a plan to make Palestinian-related articles easier to navigate. There are many discussions on the relevant pages but perhaps here we can organise better and get consensus on the best way forward. I've spent a lot of time navigating around these articles and there seems to be little connection between related topics. For example shouldn't PLO Executive Committee include the Politics of Palestine template (horizontal navigation bar). I would suggest using a country infobox for State of Palestine and a seperate template (horizontal navigation bar) with Palestine or Palestinian territories as its main page to include geography, history, demographics etc. There could be endless arguments about what should and should not be attached to the State of Palestine page so I think until there is a viable Palestinian state then the best thing to do is to make Palestine or Palestinian territories the starting point. Pockets23 10:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mercaz HaRav Massacre[edit]

In the article referring to the Mercaz HaRav Massacre, my reference to the mob violence by right wing Israelis against Palestinian residents of Jebl Mukaber in East Jerusalem after the attack keeps being deleted. I have referenced this from Ha'aretz yet it is being deleted from the portion reporting the Israeli reaction to the incident, leaving a lopsided view resulting in an article showing the average Palestinian as "bloodthirsty" with no mention of Israeli hardliners or intolerance--Orestek (talk) 20:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Missing history section[edit]

Isn't it important to say that the Palestinians have a short history ? after all there was no 'Palestinian people' before the 1940's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"news" infobox[edit]

if this isn't being updated it should be removed. untwirl(talk) 22:58, 4 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Request for help, preferrably adm. help[edit]

I was editing the Racism in Israel article. I wrote a paragraph on a poll produced the the Tel Aviv Univeristy on Israeli high schoolers attitude towards Israeli Arabs; I erased part of a paragraph that I deemed as being unbalanced in favour of Israeli (the paragraph basically blamed "Arab aggression" for instances of Israeli Jewish street violence); and then I wrote on the Talk Page about what I regarded as pro-Israel bias in the article's style. A user, User:Cptnono, undid all of my edits. He left me a message on my Talk Page in which he asked me to provide further reasoning on my actions on that article. I did, and I agreed to discuss with him the paragraph I had removed and he later restored. But I informed him that I would restore the paragraph re the Tel Aviv University poll since it was properly sourced and worded. I would like a user and better yet an administrator to, please, observe further unfoldings on that article and its talk page. I have received in my talk page a message by another user who accused User:Cptnono of being a biased, pro-Israel POV warrior that is skilled in scalating conflicts. He also issued me a warning due to the paragraph that I had removed before. He's no administrator. Can he really do that? (talk) 03:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you think the subject the article covers is notable enough for the English Wikipedia? Since I know there are many people with a lot of knowledge in the field that read this page, I would appreciate any help you could provide in the improvement of the current state of this article, in such a way that it would meet the Wikipedia standards, and/or if you disapprove of it, I would appreciate if you could post an honest opinion on the subject in the talk page of the article. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello -- at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 July 22#Pro-Palestinian consensus was reached to retarget the "Pro-Palestinian" redirect from "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" to "Palestinian cause". On 14 August 2011 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian cause was closed as "Redirect to Israeli-Palestinian conflict", inadvertently reversing the consensus reached at the RfD regarding the "Pro-Palestinian" redirect (the redirect was not mentioned during the discussion). In subsequent discussion at Talk:Pro-Palestinian#Extract from RFD discussion for future reference it has been suggested that both redirects ("Pro-Palestinian" and "Palestinian cause") would be better targeted at Palestinian nationalism. It was also agreed to initiate a widely-advertised RfD, with notifications to relevant WikiProjects and participants in the AfD and RfD. Accordingly, your comments are invited at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 August 26#Pro-Palestinian. Best, —Ireilly talk 15:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you think the subject the article covers is notable enough for the English Wikipedia? Since I know there are many people with a lot of knowledge in the field that read this page, I would appreciate if you could share your knowledge and thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In this set of templates - should we keep the general and vague word "Terrorism" in the headline or should we change it to a word (or words) which would help define more precisely the difference between (1) any type of notable murder committed against Israeli targets and (2) any type of Arab/foreign militia terror attacks and/or individual nationalistic-motivated terror attacks (committed not only by Arabs) committed against Israeli targets. Please help by suggesting alternatives in the discussion itself. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 14:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Missing coordinates[edit]

I've added the following to Portal:Palestine/Opentask, as part of WP:COORD project to get every article which could benefit from geographic coordinates geocoded, which I hope may also be useful and relevant to your project.

Missing geographical coordinates:

I hope this is helpful, and no-one minds my adding it. If it's a problem, please remove it. If anyone wants any help, please don't hesitate to ask, either at WP:COORD or on my talk page. -- The Anome (talk) 23:35, 17 March 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Should this be split into one portal about the land, and one about the territories, to match Palestine (about the land) and Palestinian territories? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talkcontribs) 08:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's no objections, so I'll begin spiting this portal. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk)
On second thought I don't think I'm going to be able to do this on my own. Probably the way we should do this is to move this page and it's sub-pages (sub-pages first or we'll break the portal page) to use "Palestinian territories" instead of "Palestine" in the title, then copy the PT portal page to the Palestine page. Redirects to the PT sub-pages created by the move will mean we won't need to be in a huge rush to immediately create new region sub-pages. The region portal can use applicable PT sub-pages until we create region sub-pages. Remember to follow Wikipedia:Splitting and Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)Wikipedia:Portal/Instructions may help too. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:41, 9 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't knoe what effect moving Portal:Palestine/News would have on the bot that updates it tough, so unless you know what you're doing, we probably shouldn't move that. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For the region portal, we'll probably need to remove "Selected quote" and "Selected biography" for now, because those are entirely about the PT. The most of rest of the sections can be adapted to be about the region with very little difficulty. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I suppose nobody took this seriously. At least i will say my word on it which is certainly opposing it, the same way wikiprojects Israel and ancient Israel and covered all-together.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was notified of this by Greyshark. I don't see a point in splitting this? While the land and the territories are different, they overlap so much and contain more or less the same people. As such, we don't really need two portals. ~Araignee (talkcontribs) 19:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's logical and would help tidy things up, but without cooperation from certain anti-Palestine editors on usage of the terminology "Palestine" as the name of the historical region, it is doomed to be another duplication. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:22, 16 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've not dealt much with Portals myself. From the definition, it says this: "Portals complement main topics in Wikipedia, and expound upon topics by introducing the reader to key articles, images, and categories that further describe the subject and its related topics. Portals also assist in helping editors to find related projects and things they can do to improve Wikipedia, and provide a unique way to navigate Wikipedia topics."
Regardless of debated terminology across both camps, I fail to see how a portal for two Portals would be beneficial? The key articles, images, and categories are all the same, because Palestine, the State of Palestine, the Palestinian Territories, PNA, etc., all belong to the same larger group with the same overall wikilinks, etc. One would find the same articles, the same news, etc., for both of them.
Note that I don't really care what the portal would be called, just that there is not really a good reason to split it into two quite similar portals. ~Araignee (talkcontribs) 00:04, 21 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why should it be the Palestinian Territories and the Palestine region to share the same portal, as opposed to say Israel and the Palestine region sharing the same portal. Israel and the Palestine region would have about as much overlap as the Palestinian Territories and Palestine. Israel might have even more overlap because is composed of much more of Palestine then the Palestinian Territories are. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:22, 21 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - since there is no one to support Emmette's proposal (Emmette is supporting, 2 editors opposing and 1 neutral), shall we close it or wait for a couple of more opinions?Greyshark09 (talk) 19:54, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flag in {{Portal|Palestine}}[edit]

Shouldn't the flag in {{Portal|Palestine}} be removed? This portal isn't just about the Palestinian Territories, it's also about Palestine region, so this flag could be misleading, and even offensive, especially in an article about the region. Imagine a if it were an Israeli flag in an article about the region. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 05:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is moot. The portal is about to be split. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 07:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not really.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:56, 3 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I made this template showing the development of the Palestinian territories. I think it could help in some articles =)

Greetings Allrounder (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Original research and misleading - the first map is a British commonwealth known as Mandatory "Palestine - Eretz Yisrael", and not "Arab Palestinian land".Greyshark09 (talk) 22:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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